Saturday, April 30, 2011

Bible Translations: A Blast From The past

Here is another blurb from the defunct Holy Smoke Fidonet Echo. This one concerns Bible Translations

From: Bryson Hughes

To: all

Date: 1997-03-06 01:05:17

Subject: bible translations  

 

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-=> Quoting Sandy J. Hooper to Rodney Barnes <=-

SJH> Also, don't you believe you have the inerrant, infallible
SJH> Bible?

I know you asked Rodney this question, But I wanted to state that there
is
no inerrant, infallable, plenarily complete Bible or compiled word of God.
There are only imperfect Bibles.

RB> But this is
RB> not supported in scripture and credable bible scholarship.

SJH> What is not supported in scripture?  I believe I have the
SJH> "scriptures" (2 Tim. 3:16), don't you?

Sandy, when Paul wrote the Letter to Timothy, it was just a letter and not
considered scripture by the Apostle himself. Nor was the Apostle talking
about the Bible, since it didn't exist for about 300 years to come.
The Apostle was talking about sacred text that were available to Him and
his contemporaries, and even sacred doctrines that may not have been
in writing. What is being spoken of in Timothy is not what we now have
called the Bible. If you went back in time and told Paul you liked what
he
said about the Bible, he wouldn't know what you were talking about, since
bible didn't exist in his day, nor could he have possibly commented on it.

SJH> Do you know where I can get the inerrant, infallible Bible from,
SJH> and if so, could I get a copy of it in English?

There are none in existance, and never will be. Your best bet is to become
a scholar and understand the background of scriptures, the history of
the idea of canon, and the influences upon those text included in the
Bible. Canonicity and complete Bible are not (ahem) scriptural doctrines.

There are many source texts which the writings of the Bible have drawn upon.
To name a few that Paul drew upon where Enoch, Jannes and Jambres, the Death
of Moses, the Martrydom of Isaiah. The Book of Jude draws upon Enoch.
Revelations draws upon the creation themes from the Babylonians, as does
Job
and the Psalmist David. The Gospel of John includes Helenistic creation
themes
and a hymn that is based upon them in the first 18 verses. Indeed they are
NOT the teachings of John the Apostle.

Also, many of the Bible's books are Psuedapigraphic, that is not written
by
the person whos name is on it. Moses didn't write Deuteronomy, Daniel didn't
write Daniel, Matthew didn't write Matthew, nor did John write the Gospel
of
John. Isaiah had at least two and probably three authors. Solomon didn't
compile Proverbs, and most of the sayings recorded there and attributed
to
Solomon, are actually the proverbs of and Egyptian (can't remember his name).
In fact, they use the Egytian text to restore questionable areas of Proverbs.

Yet these athoritative source materials for the authors of the scriptures,
are
left out of the bible!

Then we get into the area of mistranslations! Oh dear, it seems Lightning
was not spoken of by "Jesus" in referance to either the devil or his
second coming. And the name JESUS is not Jesus' name. His name is Yeshua,
Y'shua or Yahashua. In our corruption of Hebrew names we would say at
best Joshua and at the most tortured level "Jesus". And some versions of
the bible refer to the Magi as "ASTROLOGERS"! Can you believe that?
And then we have the word dusk in greek translated as "dawn".

Then there are the books mentioned but not included, such as the Book of
the Wars of the Lord.

I'm not saying all this to discredit our faith. I BELIEVE GOD when he speaks.
Therefore as a God fearing man, I tell the truth about the Bible and do
not
try to cover up the truth for fear of discrediting the faith of Messiah.
Indeed, by facing the truth, our faith becomes purer.

... PROPHET BRYSON and The ANGELS -***- WORLD * TOUR -***- 1997
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Skeeter Haven  "Nashville, TN" (615) 872-8609 (1:116/17)
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Blast From The Past: The Flood

Here is something I found online from an archive of the old "Holy Smoke" Fidonet BBS skeptics of religion forum. The year was 1997. While I spent very little time in the "Holy Smoke" forum, I did spend a great deal of time on the "Religion" Fidonet forum which was started by Dan Bennet per my request in the mid 80s. I wish there was an archive of that forum I could access.

But here is what I found:

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-=> Quoting Don Martin to Bryson Hughes <=-

BH> Ok we can talk about the existance of God if you like.

MG> Do you have any evidence that a god exists? Any at all?

BH> However, in a case of the honest skeptic, I doubt that
BH> I could produce the evidence of what I know. There
BH> would be a couple of reasons. One would be my own
BH> limited ability to convey abstract ideas in a
BH> compressed space of time; the other due to the
BH> uninitiated or unprepared state that my skeptic friend
BH> would be in, to absorb the full impact of what I show
BH> to him.

DM> Personally, I have said many times that I would welcome ANY
DM> evidence of the existence of any god, and I have even specified
DM> indirect evidence that would be quite convincing, not only to
DM> me, but (I suspect) to all the wicked atheists here: the residue
DM> of the Noachan Flood.

DM> We have an account of a global flood directly produced by
DM> Yahweh in the Bible.

DM> : in short, a universal unique
DM> event would produce a universal unique outcome--a stratum like
DM> no other in the geologic column.

DM> Such a stratum would furnish perfectly good indirect
DM> evidence for the existence of this Yahweh person,

DM> So show us this stratum. That would be evidence.

I'm not a geologist.

Nor am I a fundamentalist in my view of biblical text. However, if you are
feeling serendipitous enough to look at other sources on the account of
the
biblical flood, I can recommend a few other text that I find interesting.

The Sibylene oracles give many detailed expansion upon the flood story
including the name of a specific peak that is one of the sub-mountains of
Ararat, as the last resting place of the ark.

Also the three versions of the book of Enoch, read side by side, give a
pretty
fantastic account of pre-flood world history including extremely high levels
of technology said to be brought by the "Sons of God" from the heavens,
who
intermarried with humanity because earth women were extremely attractive.
The technology was used in great warring and for violence continually, thus
the judgement upon the earth.

Another is the Ron Wyatt book about the discovery of a deteriorated boat
structure located in Turkey, on a peak that is a sub-mountain near Ararat.
The book includes pictures and is very interesting. Several anchor stones
also survived in much better condition than the boat structure. They are
huge and weigh several thousand pounds each. There is also text inscribed
on the anchors which indicate eight people. The name of the local area
is also named eight in another language.

I have found through reading the various accounts of the flood, that it
closely resembles the Atlantis legends of the destruction of a technological
race due to a deluge.

I also find the existance of quick frozen woolly mammoths quite a wonder.

I see each of these things as pieces of the puzzle, but I don't know what
the big picture is that gave rise to these clues. Several themes emerge.

We can reasonbly state that SOMETHING happened, that gave rise to these
accounts interpretted, by those who passed them down to us, as a world
wide deluge. I find the mystery to be fascinating and a great opportunity
for sluething out the mysterious past. I don't have the answers, but I've
got some of the clues.

Even if we had the big picture of what the cataclysm consisted of, I doubt
that it would prove God to the skeptic. As I stated before, the perception
of God, in lue of theist experiences and epiphanies such as I have, is
due to the ability to see meaning in events which speak of the superior
being that transcends human scales. Prophecy tracking and synchronicity
are
just two examples which some people find persuasive. What is persuasive
to each individual though, is an individual matter.

... PROPHET BRYSON and The ANGELS -***- WORLD * TOUR -***- 1997
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Skeeter Haven  "Nashville, TN" (615) 872-8609 (1:116/17)
SEEN-BY: 12/12 24/888 102/2 943 106/2000 109/7 112/101 114/262 271 124/1
SEEN-BY: 124/1208 2342 5125 8001 9000 9005 130/1 1008 133/2 140/3 143/1
SEEN-BY: 147/34 2021 167/166 170/400 202/777 213/213 218/890 907 270/101
SEEN-BY: 275/429 280/1 169 282/1 283/120 284/29 290/14 310/666 322/739
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iTunes Now Has "Stars of Glory: An Odyssey in Reality"

For those of you who like to use the iPad, iPhone, iPods etc. etc.., my book "Stars of Glory: An Odyssey in Reality" is now available on iTunes. Here is the direct link to it:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/bryson-hughes/id412771116?mt=11